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The Other Side
Submitted by ndsturgess on Wed, 2009-02-04 20:05
Since yesterday I have been playing with the idea of writing a blog that is in support of the anti-state view as a way of better understanding what the idea means, through writing and thinking it out. I have chosen to let this blog attempt to do just that, but not just as a rhetorical exercise, but also containing parts of what I really think about the idea. It just so happens that today there was an event that inspired many thoughts that I wish to share here. Another truth, that few seem to realize today, is that the government won’t save you, even if it attempts to it won’t be pretty. This is simply because the government can’t make generalizations about issues that affect such diverse populations. The government is screwing over our economy in an attempt to “save” us, enough said. And, you are right about power. It’s like that old quotation, “Absolute power corrupts absolutely” but the same is true in any degree, partial power corrupts partially and minimal power corrupts minimally. Power will be corrupted to the degree that we allow it to exist; that said we cannot totally get rid of it; in this, it will always be a war of degree. If that is the war you wish to fight, I will fight with you, but reluctantly, for, if we win, we stand to have much more power than we ever wanted. For, to fight for liberty and freedom for all, you have to allow those people to live that don’t believe in liberty and freedom, or, at least, do believe in more power. This issue of power brings me to my last and, I think, most convincing practical reason to be anti-state (thus far). That is, the simple fact that the state is not going to degenerate into unorganized masses of people that happen to get along, if only it did, but rather it will degenerate into an ever increasing amount of control and restriction of liberty; to fascism, socialism, or even worse. All this is inevitable if the state is not destroyed. The power bubble is not burst with a slight push from the finger of humanity, but rather with the rage and tumult of it. Jefferson once said that a revolution should occur every twenty years, I believe he said this because he knew what I am saying is true. Revolution and revival is necessary for freedom and liberty to carry on in the human spirit. These principles tend to get buried in the mountain of political interpretation, and must often, be uncovered by the earthquake of human discontent. Well, there you have it, I attempted to blog about the opposing view point, which, by my own argument, makes me more affable with the idea, and I would encourage others to use this blog to comment in similar ways to show what you think about the other side, because, at the end of the day, we want the truth more than we want to be right on some soon forgotten “Blog War.” I claim that term! I made it up! If you use it, it better be in quotes or the U.S. copyright police will be come’n tah getcha… »
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rww says:
Uh, sorry Nathan. Someone beat you to it.
Oh, and admit it, you were really anti-state from the start. :)
somertyme says:
I was feeling a little stressed about all these discussions, but this blog made me smile (and even chuckle there at the end). Thank you! I'll have to ponder and respond more later.
christopher says:
Now, wasn't that easier than defending the state? You hinted at some ideas I'll be sharing in my podcast.
adam says:
I agree with Nathan here. Do you guys agree also? I think were all closer together on this than we think. (I posted this in response to his original post, though I don't disagree with the second one. I think we agree mostly about the state - my only problem is imagining things better- in this world - without one.)
Power will be corrupted to the degree that we allow it to exist; that said we cannot totally get rid of it; in this, it will always be a war of degree. If that is the war you wish to fight, I will fight with you, but reluctantly, for, if we win, we stand to have much more power than we ever wanted.
ndsturgess says:
To be honest, writing this blog really did help me to see a little more clearly the feeling and thought behind anti-statism. It was quite helpful, too, in helping outline some newer thoughts on the subject which I may talk about later. That said, while I am flattered that you thought my arguments good enough to be worthy of the anti-state position it’s harder for me to do so, because I was forced to omit the continuation of my logic so as to leave the blog with such a feeling and theme, but in reality I think my blog had two philosophical problems and one practical one. (This is kinda fun criticizing my own work.) First, I said, you were right about power, which you were, but I also said that there is no way to get rid of power all together, which I really believe. If this is so, who has that power and what are they going to do with it? I think that they don’t really have any power if they aren’t “coercing” someone with it. Even down to our own children who are coerced into our own opinions about how they should be raised, and what coercion is worse than the coercion of the defenseless and opinion-less? Second, I talked a lot about revolution and positive action against the state, while I meant all of that, the truth is I meant it in a very coercive sense, for, it seems to me that a revolution is, inherently, a very coercive act. What if the people you were “freeing” didn't all want to be freed? You cannot implant your philosophy into every mind and thus your revolution will, to some, be an act of liberation and to others an act of tyranny. Of course, if we look at history, that distinction is made whoever wins. The third and final point, which I think to be the most important, is the simple fact that I did not include an alternative. This was because I could not think of one that made any sense. While power corrupts, it is an essential part of leadership, something that is an essential part of human sociology in my mind. I think a good example (If you wish) of a powerless leadership is the UN. They huff and fume, but they can’t do anything unless they get powerful countries to agree with them; powerless leadership is not leadership.
babs says:
So, after all the discussions.... what's everyone plan on doing about it?
christopher says:
You're on the right track: a violent revolution is not without aggression. We should not advocate or attempt replacing the aggrressor with another aggressor (even ourselves) or using aggression; we should always resist aggression, particularly in ourselves.
And thankfully there will be an end to power as Paul points out and I noted here.
Note: Authority in regards to families would be an interesting discussion as there seems to be same natural authority belonging to the parents.
christopher says:
Good question! What are your plans?
babs says:
No cop outs Christopher. You're the Anti-State man. We've heard about your thoughts and philosphies - you've obviously put a lot of time and thought into all of this. I wanna hear a answer.
christopher says:
Ah, one of those... :) You'll just have to wait for this padcast I'm preparing. :)
babs says:
Will the podcast be a repeat of the information we've seen here already or is this new material?
christopher says:
I think it's new material... we'll have to wait and see what the rest of you all think. :)